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Alibaba's latest AI model puts it back in the great game
The ecommerce and cloud company hopes to recoup some of its lost shine with Monday's release Chinese tech companies are light years ahead of their US peers when it comes to making investors feel disenchanted. Nine years ago, Alibaba and Amazon both sported market capitalisations just shy of
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EXCLUSIVE: Alibaba plans to charge big users of its next open-source AI model, sources say
Aug 7 (Reuters) - Chinese technology giant Alibaba (9988.HK), opens new tab plans to ask major users of the next version of its Qwen open-source AI model for a share of revenue they make from the hotly anticipated offering, according to two people familiar with the company's plans. Like last
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Alibaba wants to charge the biggest users of its 'open' AI model
The next Qwen model will stay open-weight, but the largest commercial users may have to pay, a sign China's labs are hunting for a way to make open source pay. Alibaba is trying to make its free AI model pay. According to people familiar with the plan, the company intends to charge the biggest
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Alibaba plans revenue sharing for next open-source Qwen AI model
Alibaba plans to require large commercial users of the open-weight version of its Qwen3.8-Max AI model to share a portion of the revenue they generate from it, according to Reuters, citing two people familiar with the company's plans. The company intends to roll out the measure alongside the
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Exclusive-Alibaba Plans to Charge Big Users of Its Next Open-Source AI Model, Sources Say
By Stephen Nellis and Eduardo Baptista Aug 7 (Reuters) - Chinese technology giant Alibaba plans to ask major users of the next version of its Qwen open-source AI model for a share of revenue they make from the hotly anticipated offering, according to two people familiar with the company's
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Alibaba open-source AI model: Alibaba plans to charge big users of its next open-source AI model
Like last month's blockbuster model release from Chinese AI startup Moonshot, Alibaba's Qwen3.8-Max model is an open-source, open-weight model, meaning that the underlying learned settings that allow developers to run or adapt the system are available for download. By contrast, U.S. developers
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Alibaba's Next Qwen AI Model May No Longer Be Free for Large Enterprises as It Eyes Moonshot Kimi K3-Like
Alibaba Reportedly Plans Revenue Sharing for Qwen 3.8-Max Alibaba plans to require major commercial users of the next version of its open-source AI model, Qwen3.8-Max, to share a portion of the revenue they generate from the model, Reuters reported on Thursday, citing two people familiar with the
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Alibaba to Charge Enterprise Users for Next Open-Source AI Model
Alibaba is preparing to introduce a new monetization strategy for its next-generation open-source AI model, marking a significant shift in how Chinese technology firms are commercializing artificial intelligence. According to a Reuters report, the company plans to require large commercial users of
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Alibaba plans revenue-sharing for commercial users of next Qwen AI model - Reuters By Investing.com
Investing.com-- Alibaba Group (HK:9988) is set to introduce a revenue-sharing requirement for major commercial users of its next-generation Qwen open-source artificial intelligence model, Reuters reported on Friday, citing people familiar with the matter. The Chinese technology giant plans to ask
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Alibaba may start charging for use of latest AI model
STORY: :: Stephen Nellis, Technology Correspondent So why might Alibaba, the Chinese tech giant that's taken the world by storm, by offering a free download of its cutting edge AI, want to start charging money just like its rivals in the United States? :: San Francisco, California / August 6,
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Alibaba will require large commercial users of its Qwen3.8-Max open-source AI model to share revenue, following Moonshot's licensing approach. The move marks a shift toward monetizing open-weight designs while keeping smaller deployments free, as Chinese AI firms converge on a freemium business model to fund development amid intense price competition.
Alibaba plans to charge big users of its open-source AI model, specifically targeting commercial deployers of its upcoming Qwen3.8-Max release who generate significant revenue
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. The Chinese tech giant will implement a revenue-sharing arrangement for major users of the next version of its Qwen AI model, according to two people familiar with the company's strategy2
. While the Qwen3.8-Max model remains open-weight, meaning its underlying learned settings stay available for download, the largest commercial users will now need to negotiate commercial agreements with Alibaba3
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. This shift breaks from Alibaba's previous approach of letting companies run its open-source models on their own infrastructure without payment5
.The move follows a licensing policy pioneered by Chinese AI startup Moonshot with its Kimi K3 model, which requires anyone offering the model for sale as a service and generating more than $20 million in annual sales to establish a commercial agreement
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. Moonshot's arrangement can demand up to 30% revenue sharing from partners exceeding this threshold, according to sources familiar with the terms2
. Chinasoft International, a Chinese IT services provider, disclosed a revenue-sharing agreement with Moonshot in a regulatory filing last month, though it did not specify the percentage5
. Alibaba also plans to ask for a revenue share, though the specific rate remains under negotiation as discussions continue2
. Paddy Srinivasan, CEO of cloud computing firm DigitalOcean Holdings, confirmed his company has a commercial agreement with Moonshot and described this approach as "a tried and tested open-source freemium model"2
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.Alibaba released Qwen3.8-Max earlier this week, describing it as its most capable model with 2.4 trillion total parameters and 95 billion active parameters
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. Early benchmarking suggests the model excels in areas such as agentic coding, where bots write and fix code unassisted1
. Alibaba has claimed Qwen ranks as the world's number-two open-weight design, giving it substantial reach that makes monetizing open-source models plausible3
. The company's stock responded positively to the announcement, rising 4.5% in premarket trading in New York and 7% on the Hong Kong exchange4
. Alibaba chief Eddie Wu believes AI models and services will constitute half of external cloud income by 2027, representing approximately a tenth of total sales1
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The push to monetize open-source models comes as Chinese AI firms face intense economic pressures from multiple directions
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. A brutal price war has raged among China's AI companies, with DeepSeek making a 75% discount permanent and squeezing competitors' ability to charge for access3
. Meanwhile, compute costs remain enormous—Moonshot reportedly used 20,000 Nvidia chips from Alibaba's cloud computing infrastructure for training3
. Alibaba's capital expenditure of $18.3 billion in its last accounting year left the company with negative free cash flow, though inflows are expected to return this year1
. The Kimi K3 model costs about a third of Anthropic's Fable model according to listed prices of input and output tokens, illustrating the pricing pressure Chinese AI firms face against US competitors2
.Alibaba's fast-growing cloud computing division provides opportunities to monetize its models through a "model as a service" approach, similar to Microsoft's strategy
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. The company offers smaller companies cloud-based access to pre-trained models, which they can deploy as chatbots or other applications, paying according to usage1
. To date, Alibaba has charged developers for using its models when hosted on its own cloud platform but allowed most open-source offerings to be used in customers' own data centers without payment2
. Dan Fu, vice president of kernels at Together AI, explained that AI software providers generate revenue by optimizing service efficiency around tokens, the fundamental units AI systems use to process queries: "At the application layer, there's value out there for how you use it, how you actually get the models and the tokens to do something useful"2
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The bifurcated tech world that splits China from the US presents both challenges and opportunities for Chinese AI firms
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. US chip restrictions limit China's access to advanced chips and other technology, forcing innovation—like Google, Alibaba has developed its own proprietary chips1
. US hardware makers need local partners to operate in China, with Apple winning approval to launch AI-embedded devices using local technology including Qwen1
. China's labs have leaned on openness partly to spread their models worldwide while US leaders at OpenAI and Anthropic kept their best systems closed3
. However, charging heavy commercial users risks blunting this advantage3
. Deals are taking shape under which US firms share revenue generated by Chinese models with the Chinese AI labs that created them, even as the White House has accused Moonshot of stealing technology from Anthropic—a claim Chinese officials have rejected as unfounded2
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The open-source AI movement continues expanding, with US firms joining the competition
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. Thinking Machines Lab, a San Francisco-based AI startup founded last year by OpenAI's former Chief Technology Officer Mira Murati, released its first open-source model last month and is widely expected to follow with more powerful versions2
. Lin Qiao, CEO and co-founder of Silicon Valley-based Fireworks AI, stated: "I don't see a fundamental barrier" to powerful open-source U.S. models, adding "We are really waiting for that to happen"5
. For Alibaba, the revenue-sharing strategy represents a bet that reach can eventually convert into sustainable income, having spent heavily to make Qwen popular, the company now aims to collect from businesses that have built commercial products on top of it3
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