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Alibaba unveils Qwen3.8, 'second only to Fable 5'
Days earlier, Moonshot AI set the record for the largest open-weight AI model yet. Alibaba shares surged more than 3.5pc in overnight trading on Monday (20 July) after the Chinese giant unveiled Qwen3.8-Max in preview - supposedly "second only to [Anthropic's] Fable 5". With 2.4trn parameters,
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Alibaba previews Qwen3.8, claims it's second only to Claude Fable 5
Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. today previewed the most powerful artificial intelligence model in its Qwen family, Qwen3.8, and claimed the system trails only Anthropic PBC's Claude Fable 5 among the world's frontier models. The company revealed the model, offered as a preview build called
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Alibaba launches Qwen3.8-Max-Preview, says it trails only Anthropic's Fable 5
Alibaba has launched its new Qwen3.8-Max-Preview AI model with 2.4 trillion parameters. The preview version is available through Alibaba's Token Plan, Qoder, and QoderWork. To mark the launch, Alibaba is offering the model at 10% of the standard price. It is also offering an exclusive night-time
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Fable 5 Struggles While Qwen 3.8 Offers a Cheaper Option
The release of Qwen 3.8 and DeepSeek 4GA marks a notable moment in the evolving AI landscape, as detailed by Universe of AI. Qwen 3.8, developed with 2.4 trillion parameters, introduces self-evolution capabilities that allow it to refine its performance over time. DeepSeek 4GA, on the other hand,
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Qwen 3.8 Max vs Fable 5: is Alibaba's AI Closing the Gap?
Alibaba's Qwen 3.8 Max stands out with its 2.4 trillion parameters and a remarkable 1 million token context window, positioning it as a serious competitor in the AI space. Highlighted by World of AI, this model's ability to process text, images and video makes it particularly suited for
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Qwen 4.0 Leak Reveals Possible September 2026 Launch
Alibaba's Qwen 4.0, DeepSeek V4 GA and GLM 5.3 represent significant developments in the AI field, each addressing distinct challenges and opportunities. According to World of AI, Qwen 4.0 has reportedly been leaked ahead of schedule, revealing capabilities in complex 3D coding and design tasks
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Alibaba Says New AI Model Is Just Second to Anthropic's Fable 5
Alibaba Group previewed its new artificial-intelligence model that it says is second only to Anthropic's Fable 5, the latest sign that China is fast closing the gap with the U.S. for global technological dominance. The Qwen3.8-Max-Preview, the preview version of the company's latest flagship large
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Alibaba unveiled Qwen3.8-Max-Preview with 2.4 trillion parameters at the World Artificial Intelligence Conference in Shanghai, claiming it ranks second only to Anthropic's Fable 5. The launch comes days after Moonshot AI released Kimi K3 with 2.8 trillion parameters, pushing Chinese AI companies into the multi-trillion-parameter tier amid ongoing geopolitical tensions over semiconductor access.
Alibaba Group Holding unveiled Qwen3.8-Max-Preview at the World Artificial Intelligence Conference in Shanghai, marking a significant push by Chinese AI companies into the multi-trillion-parameter tier. The AI model features 2.4 trillion parameters and represents the first Qwen model above 1 trillion parameters capable of processing images, video and documents alongside text
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. Alibaba's Qwen team claimed the system ranks "second only to Fable 5," referring to Anthropic's flagship release, though no benchmark scores were provided to support this assertion2
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The announcement sent Alibaba shares surging more than 3.5% in overnight trading on Monday, reflecting investor enthusiasm for the company's AI ambitions
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. Available through Alibaba's Token Plan subscription and its Qoder and QoderWork developer platforms, the Qwen3.8-Max-Preview is priced at 10% of the standard rate during the trial period2
. The company is also offering an exclusive night-time rate with discounts of up to 98% to encourage adoption3
.The timing of Alibaba's AI launch places Qwen3.8-Max directly against domestic rival Moonshot AI, which released Kimi K3 just three days earlier. The Kimi K3 model set the record for the largest open-weight AI model yet with 2.8 trillion parameters
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. Interest in Kimi K3 surged far beyond expectations, forcing Moonshot AI to pause new subscriptions on Sunday as users swarmed to test the system1
. Across cited benchmarks, K3 trailed only OpenAI's GPT-5.6 Sol and Anthropic's Fable 5, while outperforming them in certain coding and general agent tasks at a cheaper price1
.These rapid releases from Chinese AI companies have disrupted the competitive landscape. Rival AI model maker Zhipu saw its shares plunge more than 45% in the past five days, while MiniMax lost nearly 13% of its share value in the same period and more than 61% over the past month
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. Moonshot AI reportedly plans to go public as early as six months from now, riding the growing wave of interest in cheaper Chinese AI models1
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Despite Alibaba's bold claims about Qwen3.8-Max being second only to Fable 5, the absence of independent verification stands out. The company published no benchmark scores, no model card, no activated-parameter count and no task-level comparison with its previous flagship, Qwen3.7-Max
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. This contrasts sharply with Alibaba's previous flagship, which shipped in May with a full set of published results, including a score of 56.6 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index2
.No independent leaderboard has scored Qwen3.8 yet, and the last Qwen model that was ranked, Qwen3.7-Max, sits well down LMArena's list, where Fable 5 holds the number one position
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. Alibaba described the new model only as "continuously evolving" and promised open weights "soon," though the company has not set a date or published license terms2
.Qwen 3.8 Max stands out with its remarkable 1 million token context window, positioning it as a serious competitor for large-scale, multimodal tasks
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. The model's ability to process text, images and video makes it particularly suited for complex applications. In front-end development, Qwen 3.8 Max demonstrates precision in generating responsive web layouts and animated SVG designs, successfully replicating Mac OS-style interfaces and creating interactive landing pages with advanced functionality5
.However, the model exhibits trade-offs between accuracy and speed. While it excels in generating detailed animations and responsive designs, its iterative refinement process results in slower output generation compared to faster-performing competitors like Kim K3
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. In 3D game development, Qwen 3.8 Max can generate basic open-world environments suitable for early-stage development and concept testing, but struggles to produce the polished, visually refined outputs necessary for fully realized gaming projects when compared to Fable 55
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The aggressive push by Chinese AI companies occurs against a backdrop of escalating geopolitical tensions over semiconductor access. US curbs on semiconductor exports to China over recent years appear to have pushed the country to focus on its own chip capabilities
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. Earlier this year, China reportedly began restricting overseas travel for its top AI professionals to ensure its talent remains beneficial at home1
. Meanwhile, US lawmakers are urging the Trump administration to ban US companies from buying memory chips from Chinese semiconductor developers1
.Alibaba has made Qwen central to its effort to position itself as China's default AI supplier. Over the past year, the company has released a steady run of open-weight models while building out cloud infrastructure and custom chips to run them
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. The open-weight approach has helped Qwen assemble one of the largest developer followings of any Chinese model family, a base it now hopes to carry into the trillion-parameter class2
. Chinese labs are using cost-efficient models to disrupt traditional pricing structures, challenging established AI leaders to reevaluate their strategies4
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Alibaba has already announced plans to address current limitations with the upcoming Qwen 4.0 series. Key improvements are expected to include faster processing speeds to enhance efficiency, improved output quality for more polished results, and enhanced capabilities for complex compositions
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. For enterprise buyers weighing the announcement, the comparison with Fable 5 remains Alibaba's alone until independent benchmarks and the promised open weights arrive to settle the question of actual performance2
. The model's self-evolution capabilities, which allow it to autonomously adapt and improve, could make it particularly effective for complex tasks such as advanced coding, real-time decision-making and dynamic learning4
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